not when it comes to our nation's finances, but this trust deficit in washington. the republicans, you have the president, doing this, boom, and just how is this even going to play out over the next couple of weeks? >> well, you have the debt ceiling, which is the current fight. and what you have is confrontation, not conversation. how is it going to play out? again, the president believes he has the political high ground now and he believes he's -- he believes his position is right. that you don't want to negotiate over the debt ceiling, let's have a bigger conversation. the republicans, they control the house of representatives, they still have a decent chunk of votes, the democrats control the senate, they say no way, sir. and so you have this fight over the debt ceiling, but it is about bigger issues. the debt ceiling has nothing to do with immigration reform, nothing to do with the proposals on gun control, nothing to do with anything else the president might want to do in his second term, but guess what, it does affect the climate in washington. and the fact